Saturday, February 28, 2026

Every Year Is a Fresh Start: 5 Tips for Making Class Lists Work for Everybody

From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis

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The creation of balanced class lists in elementary schools can sometimes be the stuff of legends. With all of the pink and blue cards out on the conference table, some schools involve teachers, and the meetings can focus on just trying to figure out where to place certain students. Getting balanced class lists right is important! A child's class placement often shapes an entire year for students and their teachers.

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As I was researching this post, I was shocked at what one school administrator shared about what this process really looks like:

“We used to make ‘baseball cards' on index cards for each student and then they would lay them out on the conference room table and try to figure it out. It was time consuming and I had to break up a few fights!!”

Class Composer student card in edit mode showing academic scores in reading, math, and writing, behavior and work skills ratings, student identifiers for IEP and 504, placement requests, and assessment data for creating balanced class lists
The Class Composer student card gives principals a complete picture of each child — from academics and behavior to placement requests — replacing the old index card method with a digital profile designed to help create balanced class lists.

Fights over class placement?

Class placement matters. But there has to be an easier way and there is. Class Composer.

The Decision We Should Talk About

We talk endlessly about curriculum, about assessment, about instructional strategies. But the decision that arguably shapes a child's entire school year (their class roster and teacher) are often made at the end of the school year when everyone is exhausted and rushed to get out the door for summer.

I recently interviewed principal Carrie Hetzel. She knows this tension.

As principal of Paradise Canyon Elementary School in California—a National Blue Ribbon School serving over 700 students—she's been navigating the complex puzzle of class placement since 2018.

“It's a very complicated process as you might imagine,” Carrie told me. “Having a big school and several classes per grade level, it's important to set our students up for success and have really balanced classes for our teachers.”

But here's what Carrie also told me that was so encouraging:

“Every year is like a fresh start. Every year is a new beginning.”

That reframe changes everything. Class placement isn't just an administrative headache to survive. It's the foundation of a fresh start for every child in your building.

So how do we get it right?

Listen to the Full Interview with Principal Carrie Hetzel

Want to hear Carrie share her class placement strategies in her own words? I sat down with her on the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast (Episode 926) to talk about how her school creates balanced class lists for over 700 students — and what she wishes she'd known as a first-year principal. It's one of those conversations you'll want to keep listening to, even after you've parked. (Also check out my Cool Cat Teacher Talk show on classroom management for more on setting your classroom up for success.)

Carrie Hetzel, principal of Paradise Canyon Elementary School, guest on balanced class lists episode of the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast
Carrie Hetzel shares how her team creates balanced class lists at Paradise Canyon Elementary, a National Blue Ribbon School in California.

Tip 1: Start Earlier Than You Think

When I asked Carrie what advice she'd give herself as a day-one principal, her answer was immediate: “Start early.”

“We end in June so we're definitely in the process in May because it's not something to rush. It's really important,” she explained. “At the end of the school year it gets so busy with end of year activities and the teachers are…it's so busy. So starting early and taking your time is really important.”

A 2017 study published in the Journal of Educational Administration (Park, St. John, Datnow, & Choi) found that while schools collect similar types of data for placement decisions, their analysis and decision-making processes vary dramatically based on their assumptions and goals. I just have to wonder if something more transparent than index cards on a conference room table for a few weeks is going to suit many of us better?

Starting the process early gives teams the time needed to create truly balanced class lists rather than rushing through placements in the final days of school.

Critical Question: When will you start your class list making process for the next school year?

Tip 2: Make It a Team Effort

While class placement is ultimately an administrative decision, in my experience the best placements happen when multiple people, including the teachers who have taught the students previously, are providing input.

Back to Carrie's interview. She said, “it's really a group effort here with the staff. Teachers, our counselor look at the classes…it goes through quite a process of teacher revision, principal revision, counselor revision.”

“I see a bigger picture because I've seen the students over several years,” Carrie said. “And so I have a different point of view. Our counselor has a different point of view.”

Often, teachers know the daily dynamics. Counselors often have a different picture of children's social-emotional landscape. Principals know confidential information that can't always be shared. When all perspectives are combined, you can get placements that work for the next school year. Multiple viewpoints are what make balanced class lists possible — no single person has the complete picture. (And strong classroom management starts with getting these placements right.)

Class Composer supports this team approach by giving everyone a shared digital data wall where they can see all students at once.

In a case study on her school, Laurel Jones, former principal at Rosedale Elementary in New York, echoes this. Her school's process involved teachers, reading specialists, counselors, and administrators – each with a piece of the puzzle.

Critical Question: Are you including everyone in the process of deciding where students will be placed?

Tip 3: Balanced Class Lists Need More Than Just Numbers

When Carrie described a balanced classroom, she's not just looking at numbers. As she makes her decisions, which are different at many schools, she says, “Boys, girls, student behaviors, IEPs, 504s, our EL learners – all of those things that go into making up a great class.”

In Class Composer, each student card tracks all of these factors — academics, behavior, IEPs, 504s, EL status — making them visible at a glance. It's the kind of student placement software that keeps the data organized so you can focus on the human decisions.

Class Composer digital data wall showing three balanced class lists for third grade with student identifiers highlighted in different colors to show IEPs, 504 plans, EL learners, and gifted students across all classes at once
With highlighted identifiers on the class composer digital data wall, principals can see how IEPs, 504s, EL learners, and other student factors are distributed across all classes. This makes it easier to build truly balanced class lists.

But it isn't just about data points. Kids are unique, and they are not numbers. So it is vital that we have to bring human nuance and emotional intelligence into the process.

“There are students that may click that should be together,” Carrie said. “There are students that may have had a conflict that should be separated that next year.”

This is where the art of emotional intelligence and the wisdom of working with children come into play. You need to see the data to get the big picture, but you need human wisdom here. Only a wise human might realize that two students had a falling out in February, or that one shy child has exactly one friend who helps her feel safe.

But as I reviewed case studies on placements, another concern came to light. Principal Laurel Jones pointed out that, “So often, what would happen is you'd have a teacher in the next grade level who was really good at handling behavior issues, and all the students with challenging behaviors would end up in that class.”

I've seen this happen! I've seen it burn out teachers. I've even seen this cause truly remarkable teachers to want to quit. And some of them do!

Without being intentional, this phenomenon “essentially tracked kids into certain pathways.” (And the teachers!)

And as a teacher who is pretty good in this area, what happens to the teacher? In some ways, we're making a professional teacher who is very good at her job have a harder and harder year each year, without giving other teachers the chance to grow and learn, and also (sometimes in my observation) creating a firestorm of problems in one particular classroom.

Critical Question: Do some teachers in your school get overloaded with problems? How are you making your decisions of placements? Are there factors you wish you could consider but cannot?

Tip 4: Build in Safety Checks

We all know that when someone is juggling so many factors, mistakes happen.

Laurel Jones took one such mistake personally (as many administrators do.) “When I made a mistake and a student ended up in a class with someone they weren't a good fit with, I took it very personally. Those experiences made me triple-check everything year after year.”

She used to triple check. By hand. Every year. That is exhausting and still error prone.

Class Composer, the tool both Carrie and Laurel use, has built in automatic safety checks. Carrie says, “If you had a kiddo that needed a break from another kiddo,” she explained, “it's really nice to have a little extra safety check alert that says, you know, you're going to make a change that you said shouldn't be changed, so do you want to do it?”

Class Composer digital data wall displaying separation and placement request lines connecting students across three class lists, showing the built-in safety check system that alerts administrators when placement rules may be violated
Class Composer's built-in safety checks show separation and placement requests right on the digital data wall — alerting administrators before they accidentally place students who shouldn't be together in the same class.

I like this because the technology is not making the decision. The human is making the decision; however, the technology is doing what it does well. It is tracking the data humans put into it, advising them, and alerting them to their own notes on each child. This is much more respectful of each child and everyone involved. Kids aren't numbers; they are unique human beings, and we need to value how we treat them.

Critical Question: How are you double checking placements to ensure you don't have mistakes?

Tip 5: Protect Your Data (Because the Summer Will Change It!)

So many schools work to finalize class lists in May but then over the summer dozens of students move away and another couple of dozen transfer in. It can cause panic to set in and an overwhelm that you have to start over.

“Those were the worst,” Laurel Jones said, “If a new student arrived or someone moved away, ‘I'd have to reshuffle everything, and sometimes I'd miss an important detail, like two students who shouldn't be together.'”

And imagine what happens if your principal goes to another school over the summer? You really are rolling the dice then!

The problem with paper systems like pink cards, blue cards, or sticky notes, is that institutional knowledge disappears. “With paper cards, you'd group them, build your classes, and by August that data was basically gone,” said Laurel.

When her school moved to Class Composer, everything changed. “All the information carries over and is available to teachers before the new school year starts.”

Continuity matters. Without a system to protect your work, those carefully balanced class lists you built in May can fall apart by August. New teachers shouldn't have to start from scratch every September. The school shouldn't be left scratching their heads when administrators or key teachers leave and the institutional knowledge has gone with them. (For more on setting your school year up right, see my back-to-school advice for principals and teachers.)

Critical Question: How are you protecting your institutional knowledge in order to keep placements effective?

The Technology Question About Creating Balanced Class Lists

I always vet the resources and companies that I recommend. When I first heard of Class Composer my teacher instincts kicked in. Can a computer program really understand the nuance of which students should be together?

Here's what changed my mind. The principals I talked to as part of the class roster creation process were not using technology to replace or circumvent human judgement. They were using technology — and its digital data wall — to protect human judgment from human limitations.

“You can't really just put things into a machine and press go,” Carrie emphasized on my show. The software “allows me to do everything I would have normally done on paper. The initial draft just starts the process. You're still using your judgement and the knowledge that you have about your students to make better placement decisions.”

Class Composer digital data wall showing a student being moved between classes using drag and drop, with class balance statistics visible at the top of the screen for building balanced class lists
With Class Composer's drag-and-drop digital data wall, principals can move students between classes and instantly see how each change affects class balance — combining human judgment with data-driven precision.

I found a review from Kristin Schroeder, an elementary principal at the American School of Doha, who reported going from 20 hours or so on placement tasks to three.

The time savings is real. But more importantly for kids (and teachers), the accuracy improves when you're not manually tracking dozens of variables across hundreds of students on index cards. (That sounds like a nightmare to me!)

One educator on Capterra said, “We are able to make the best decisions for children in an organized way.”

Critical Question: Do you feel the system you're using respects the human input while making it easier to manage the data?

Is It Time for a Fresh Start with a Method to Create Balanced Class Lists?

Class placement can be easier. In many ways it needs to be. It is a very human process (or why would we write all of their names on index cards and have the conversations that need to happen?)

Class placement can be a moment to pause and see how much students have grown and to set them up for success. When your elementary class lists are built with care, that first day back to school starts on the right foot for everyone.

“That's why it's so important to have great classes,” Carrie concluded. “So these students are starting off on the right foot in a great environment with peers that they can learn from and learn with.”

Every child deserves a fresh start.

Every teacher would benefit from a balanced classroom.

Every principal needs a process that doesn't require index cards that fly away when someone slams the door. The process can be better. If you're ready to move past index cards and sticky notes, take a look at Class Composer — a class placement tool built to help your school create balanced class lists that give every child a fresh start.

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Class Composer helps elementary principals build balanced, equitable class lists in a fraction of the time. Replace the pink and blue cards with a digital data wall that keeps your team's knowledge organized and accessible — all while keeping human judgment at the center of every placement decision.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Creating Balanced Class Lists

What are balanced class lists?

Balanced class lists are classroom rosters that distribute students equitably across classes based on multiple factors including academic levels, gender, behavior, IEPs, 504 plans, EL learners, gifted students, and social dynamics. The goal is to give every teacher a fair class composition and every student the best possible learning environment for the school year.

When should elementary schools start creating class lists for the next school year?

Experienced principals recommend starting the class list creation process in May for schools that end in June. Starting early gives teams the time needed to gather teacher input, review student data, and make thoughtful placement decisions rather than rushing through the process during the hectic final weeks of school.

Who should be involved in creating class placements?

The most effective class placements happen when multiple perspectives are included: classroom teachers who know the daily dynamics, school counselors who understand the social-emotional landscape, reading specialists and support staff, and administrators who may have confidential information. While the principal makes the final decision, collaborative input creates stronger balanced class lists.

What factors should be considered when creating balanced class lists?

Key factors include: gender balance, academic performance levels, student behaviors, IEPs and 504 plans, EL (English Learner) status, gifted identification, student separation requests, friendship dynamics, and parent placement requests. The key is to prioritize which factors matter most for your school rather than trying to balance everything equally.

How does student placement software like Class Composer help?

Class Composer replaces paper index cards with a digital data wall where principals can see all students across all classes at once. It tracks academic data, behavior, identifiers, and placement requests on digital student cards, includes built-in safety checks that alert you before violating separation requests, and preserves institutional knowledge from year to year. Principals report reducing placement time from 20+ hours to approximately 3 hours.

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Friday, February 27, 2026

Einstein Cheating Bot Exposed: What You Should Know

From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis

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Michelle Kassorla shared ​a great (or alarming, I shoudl say) rundown of the Einstein tool​.

Basically this tool was using an open source tool called Open Claw which has ​terrible terrible privacy concerns​, by the way. Then, when you open your course in Canvas, ​it could literally​ watch lecture videos, read essays, write papers and complete quizzes.

What is Open Claw?

Basically Open Claw is embedded in your computer and has access to everything. It was formerly known as Moltbot and Clawdbot and has gone viral but security experts have warned people not to join the trend.

Back to Einstein

OK, back to Einstein, so, using OpenClaw it installs and goes onto your machine.

If you look at the original promotional content (cited below from The Cheat Sheet substack), you can be alarmed. They did rebrand it as the tutor you deserve. However, it seems the makers of Einstein thought people deserved to hang out by the pool and let their AI pretend for them to be educated.

So, recently ​OpenClaw has been banned​ by many of the AI tools likely because of excessive consumption of tokens.

But Einstein lasted five days. ​”The Cheat Sheet” Substack​ has a great overview of what happened with Einstein.

What Should We Think?

Sadly, this is going to be coming to everything everywhere. What can be done about it?

Well, I know in K12, we've moved to oral book reports, oral conversations, and talking to students. This is a good move, in my book. We should have always been talking to students. And while I teach Computer Science, lids of laptops are as much down as up in my class.

Of course if you go oral conversations online, eventually you'll have AI deep fake, which *gasp* can I say it, might suddenly increase the value of face-to-face education yet again for those colleges and high schools willing to reduce class size, improve on human interaction, and make it so that the teaching experience is *double gasp* personal again.

To move forward, we must have vision. We cannot look back at what was but what will be. And what will be is that our students in college must know how to master and use AI (like using Claude Cowork as I talked about in this week's newsletter) as appropriate but also must have knowledge in their topic so that they are qualified to supervise the AI tools.

Learning: The Old and the New

Learning is important. So is integrity. I always told my children I'd rather have an honest C than a cheating A. Now, this generation might just have better educated students down below the top crust who are so competitive for grades that they might be willing to use AI to help them get it.

But is that a bad thing if they know the content?

Right now my students are creating presentations. Some of them fight with making presentations and don't like making them. They've written the outlines. They've done the research (using Google Notebook LM, for example but citing original documents) and have even had an oral conversation with me about their topics. But is making slides really vital to this? No!

I have taught them how to use AI to make the first draft of their slides and to edit it from there. They actually have to know more about their slide program to edit these slides because AI is notoriously bad about just adding text boxes, but that is neither here nor there.

Time to Talk

We need to be having some real, human conversations that don't involve people getting red faced and spitting across the room in fury that education has come to this.

We need to stop blatantly accusing everybody and their brother of using AI when there is, in fact, good uses of AI for just about every task under the sun. I guess I always ask -what is the role of the human and does their thinking shine through.

As for this post, I've written the whole thing — em dashes and all. :-)

I'm not eager to meet Einstein — we'll if he was alive maybe I would be. But this cheating ai bot is not something I'm happy about even though it rests in the 404 graveyard. A former pastor of mine, Stephen Dervan, used to say, “A half-truth is a whole lie.”

I see a lot of educators justifying what AI can do to help them grade when in reality they are giving over their gradebook to a bot. I see a lot of students justifying what AI can do to help them live their lives and get sleep and stress less when in reality they are giving over their future to a bot.

As people who have pretended that social media was actually social and helped us be less lonely — how has that turned out for us.

Are we now going to pretend that AI in everything is actually going to make us more intelligent?

AI is a tool and there are times for its use. But to put AI everywhere in education is yet another way to feed the machine and not improve humankind.

As someone who likes using tech wisely but values humans, we need to wake up and smell the burn of another lie scorching our society before we go down another path and blindly trust in a future given over to the greed.

Our babies are more important than to be entrusted to an AI-nanny that has no other objective than to stay in business. It is time to open our eyes, be wise, and use our brains about the uses of AI that improve human flourishing and those that diminish it.

There's no going back but there is a way forward. I'd like to be part of the solution with all of you.

Let's talk.

We sure do need it.

In the meantime, RIP Einstein Cheating bot — I'm sure we'll be seeing one of your offspring soon.

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Here’s Looking at You, Kid: How a Trip Off the Grid Changed How I Live Life On the Grid

From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis

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So many epiphanies came to me as I traveled through Egypt. I took off my smart watch. I put my phone away so I wouldn't rack up international charges. And I spent time with people.

I saw the Pyramids of Giza and the Sphinx. I saw King Tut's ruins. I even saw Mount Sinai and cruised down the Nile. But what struck me most wasn't the ancient world — it was what I could do without the interruptions. Without the notifications buzzing my wrist. Without the text messages pulling me away from what was right in front of me.

(Need I say something here about this piece I wrote? I have used em dashes forever. (the — that you see.) I've spent the last few months removing them from my writing so people wouldn't think I was writing with AI. I'm done with that silliness. I write like I write. Maybe AI uses em dashes because good writers use them? I could only hope. But I digress!)

I was actually in the moment. I was actually in Egypt. And silly cat videos weren't distracting me from one of the most incredible experiences of my life.

Egypt was the trip of a lifetime. Not just because of the memories but because of the things about life I remembered when I went off the grid and did when I came home.

What the Algorithm Actually Wants

As I prepared to return home, I started thinking about algorithms and who they really benefit. The saying goes: if the product is free, you're the product. On social media, we're the product. The platforms serve our attention to their advertisers on a plate. Advertisers pay, and in return, they get to be seen by us.

So what is the purpose of the social media algorithm? It's not to make my life better.

It's to make me spend more of my life online. To make me look at more things. That's it. That's the whole purpose.

And lately, those algorithms have become particularly aggressive. I'll open Facebook to do one quick thing and find myself forty-five minutes later scrolling through reels — which are basically a knockoff of TikTok's addictive short-form videos. Quick dopamine hits. But when I'm done, my stress has gone up instead of down. Instead of cooking dinner, I end up eating out because I wasted my time feeding someone else's algorithm.

The Thanksgiving Moment

Over Thanksgiving, we were watching a movie together — four of us in the same room. I looked up and realized that all four of us weren't watching the movie at all. We were each staring at a small screen in our hands.

That's not smart. We weren't using our phones as phones. We were using them as yet another screen, yet another distraction. We were feeding the social media algorithm and putting money in the pockets of social media companies while we gave our attention to things we didn't really care about — instead of seeing the beauty and joy of the people right in front of us.

I felt the calling deep in my soul. I need to focus on the people and forget about the things.

Starting with the Watch

I've been wearing a “smart” watch since version one of the Apple Watch. (And yes, I intentionally use the word smart there in quotes.)

I loved the step counter, the heart rate tracker for running, and even the notification that my husband was calling. But somewhere around the pandemic — when everyone in the whole school got my cell phone number, and phone numbers started being bought and sold on the dark web — my smart watch became a huge distraction instead of something that made me smarter.

If I really wanted to get things done, I didn't put on my watch at all.

So I've made a decision: I still want the health counters. The heart rate monitor. All the things someone my age needs. But I don't want the constantly distracting screen beckoning me into whichever algorithm is working best that week.

What I'm Changing

Since I've come back from Egypt, I've been writing every morning longhand before I even pick up my phone. I've been taking my watch off to get things done. And I've been putting my phone away — literally forgetting where it is — because I'd rather focus on the people right in front of me than the people far away who really only want my attention so they can sell it.

I've moved social media to my desktop only. Not my phone. Maybe that'll be the smartest thing I've done with my phone in the last ten years.

And I've gone with a screenless health tracker. That's been smart because my sleep is the best it has been in years! The smart watches just keep getting better and better at notifying and distracting me from the work I need to be doing. There's nothing smart about that. What is smart is reading, sleep, and family time! That's the best use of my time!

Oh and I have moved to a Remarkable Pro tablet instead of my iPad. No notifications! I can write and work uninterrupted! Devices with no notifications are my new Holy Grail of productivity!

Three Books in Three Years

Here's what haunts me: back before all these addictive algorithms took hold, I wrote and published three books in three years. Three. I read voraciously. I generated content that helped people. (I hope I still do that! Tee hee!) The point is that I was productive in a way that mattered.

I'm ready to get back to that. Back to reading an hour a night. Back to the kind of focused work that produces something lasting — not lost in dopamine-infused quick videos and the swipe, swipe, swipe of my life going away like rain washing off a windshield.

I'd rather live my life. I'd rather watch beautiful things unfold in real time. I'd rather look in the eyes of my husband than at the eyes of some stranger sharing their latest epiphany on TikTok.

So the next time you see me at a conference, I'll probably have one of those old-fashioned analog watches on my wrist. I'll have my health tracker somewhere out of sight. My phone will be put away. And I'll be looking at you.

Watch me.

My trip to Egypt gave me more than just memories. It gave me a new way to live life when I came back home.

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Thursday, February 26, 2026

Teen Phone Addiction: What Actually Works

From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis

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Did you know that teens pick up their phones 72 times a day and receive a median of 237 notifications? Those numbers from Common Sense Media stunned me. And Dr. Brad Marshall helped me realize something in this episode: we're not dealing with a bad habit anymore. We're dealing with something designed to override the developing brain. And as Dr. Brad Marshall, an Australian psychologist who's worked with over 2,500 families affected by phone and screen addiction, says — we adults share the blame.

In today's episode, Dr. Marshall shares his evidence-based, no-judgment approach to helping teens break free from phone addiction. (He includes a surprising “handbrake rule” that actually works when parental controls don't.)

He explains why expecting teens to self-regulate their phone use is, in his words, “neurologically ridiculous,” and what parents and educators can do instead. Whether you're driving to school, grading papers, or unwinding after a long day, this episode is for you.

Key Takeaways for Teachers from Dr. Brad Marshall

  • We failed our kids and that changes how we approach the conversation. Dr. Marshall is clear: adults allowed phones into children's hands, reduced their options for outdoor play and community, and then blamed them for being on screens too much. That's why he insists on a non-judgmental approach. He told the Australian Parliament the same thing. For educators, this means starting from empathy, not enforcement.
  • Parental controls don't work, but the “handbrake rule” does. Most software-based parental controls fail because they're made by the same tech companies that profit from kids' screen time. Instead, Dr. Marshall recommends limiting the phone's data plan to 5-10 gigabytes per month. With limited data, kids naturally prioritize how they use their phones — talk and text still work, but endless scrolling stops.
  • Phone bans in schools produce measurable benefits. Australia banned phones in all schools two years ago. The results: teachers report students are actually listening, kids say they enjoy lunch again, older students talk to younger ones, and students are building real human connections. The feared negative outcomes never materialized.
  • Sleep is a vital issue to protect. When screens and phones impact sleep, everything goes downhill fast. We need to understand that all of the developmental and psychological impacts snowball. Dr. Marshall says this is the single most important message for parents and educators: protect sleep first.
  • Expecting teens to self-regulate phone use is “neurologically ridiculous.” The prefrontal cortex doesn't fully develop until the early 20s for females and late 20s for males. Asking a 12- or 14-year-old to manage their own phone use, Dr. Marshall argues, is like handing them car keys and a six-pack and hoping for the best. The rhetoric of “self-regulation” may actually be a tech industry marketing ploy.

Visual Summary

Visual summary infographic of phone addiction teens strategies from Dr. Brad Marshall on the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast Episode 928
Key strategies for addressing phone addiction in teens from Dr. Brad Marshall, including the handbrake rule, sleep protection, and non-judgmental conversations.

Here is a visual overview of the key ideas from this episode created from the transcript using Google Notebook LM. Then, I downloaded and edited it with Canva.

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About Dr. Brad Marshall

Dr. Brad Marshall, The Unplugged Psychologist, Australian expert on phone addiction in teens and author of Do Not Disturb
Dr. Brad Marshall is the Director of Australia's Screen & Gaming Disorder Clinic and a leading expert on phone addiction in teens.

Dr Brad Marshall (AKA The Unplugged Psychologist) is recognized as one of Australia's leading experts in excessive internet and screen use otherwise known as Internet Addiction or Gaming Disorder. As the Director of The Screen & Gaming Disorder Clinic; Australia's first established specialty clinic, he is a well-respected presenter and speaker on the topic, frequenting schools, health, and corporate organizations around Australia.

He is the author of three best-selling international books that have been published in over a dozen languages and 30 countries world-wide. In his spare time Brad conducts research with world leading academics at Macquarie University and published Australia's first ever clinical treatment trials for smartphone addiction and gaming disorder. Brad is an Adjunct Fellow at the School of Psychological Sciences, Macquarie University.

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Vicki Davis: Today we're talking with Dr. Brad Marshall. He's an Australian psychologist, researcher, and author who has worked for more than two decades with young people and families affected by screen overuse and technology dependence. He is known internationally as the Unplugged Psychologist, Director for the Screens and Gaming Disorder Clinic in Sydney, Australia. Dr. Marshall is the co-author of Do Not Disturb. Now, for my international listeners, the name of this book outside the US is How to Say No to Your Phone.

How does your advice differ from all the detox advice that seems to be rolling around the internet right now?

Dr. Brad Marshall: Yeah, thanks very much, Vicki, for having me. It's great to be here. I think the way that my advice differs is just given my background. I've been working with kids and families in screen addiction and gaming addiction, phone addiction. That term “addiction” — 10 or 15 years ago, people would get very angry at me for using that. But now we all accept that it can get to that level in some kids.

Because of my clinical background, I've seen over two and a half thousand families in my clinic from around the world. And so this comes from a practical sense. Many people can think in an academic way or in theoretical ways of, “Just take that device from your teenager.” But I've been there and I've done that with all of these families and I've trialed all of these techniques as to what works.

And then on top of that, in the last five years in my research lab at Macquarie University in Sydney, we've evidence-based all of the techniques that are in this book. So that's a short answer as to how this is different — because in a practical sense, these are things that we know actually work.

Vicki Davis: You know, there are some interesting statistics that I was digging into to prepare for today. There's a significant association between four plus hours of daily screen time and symptoms of anxiety and depression. Common Sense Media says that kids in the US pick up their phones 72 times a day. They use their phones 43 minutes during school on the average. Now, some of us — like my school — have banned phones, which has been great.

But they receive a median of 237 notifications a day. Teens say they're afraid of missing out, but they also want boundaries. And educators and parents want to empower kids, not restrict them. You really talk about a no-judgment approach. How do we start from a no-judgment approach? Because when I hear these numbers, this is not what being a teenager or tween-ager should be.

Dr. Brad Marshall: I want to be really clear. I am all for boundaries. And in fact, all of my research papers and books are around the effective way to put in place boundaries and safeguards in this. But what comes with that is that we have to have that non-judgmental approach with our teens and tweens. And what it ultimately boils down to, Vicki, is we failed our kids. Everyone in this field and everyone who didn't act, we failed them.

One of my biggest regrets in my career — I gave testimony to the Australian Parliament inquiries into the social media bans, which we are rolling out in Australia for under 16s in December. I gave testimony to that Senate inquiry in Australia, and I said exactly that. We are at fault here. We all complain kids are on their phones too much and the impact that is on mental health. But number one, we allowed that to happen. That was on our watch. Number two, we have systematically gone about reducing their options outside of screens. We shut down their sporting fields, we stop them from being in communities, we stop them from going outside, and then we wonder why they're inside so much on screens. So it has to be a non-judgmental approach from my perspective, because we're at fault.

Vicki Davis: I have to admit, I was in the cell phone business. My first job out of college, '91 to '94, I was the general manager. And people kept saying, “I want to get my kids phones for safety.” Those days, you couldn't text, you couldn't do anything. Yeah, it made some sense. In a rural area, a flat tire, getting stuck in a ditch is a real issue.

But now it almost feels like the safest kids are the ones who don't have phones. That should bother us. Like, what do we do if we've already bought our child phones and we're like, okay, this is not going the right direction? How do you advise parents? What do they do that fits with your evidence-based approach?

Dr. Brad Marshall: In Australia, we are leading the world on this in many different facets. We banned phones two years ago in schools, every school. And we saw at the time that the lobbyists from the tech industries were very up in arms about that. All these terrible outcomes are going to happen. Well, hey, guess what? All of the evidence says that was beneficial. Teachers tell us that kids are actually listening.

Kids say, “I enjoy lunch. The older kids talk to me. I have more friends. I do more outside of school now. I'm using my phone less because I'm actually making human connections instead of walking down the hall with my nose in my phone.” So absolutely, I am a big fan of the ban.

And look, there are many, many steps that we've proven in lab and in my books. But if I give one specific to phones, because we're talking about Do Not Disturb, ultimately what it boils down to is one of the things you can do to protect your kids is limit their amount of cell phone data. What I mean by this is most families will have tried to use software parental controls on their child's phone.

And most of them will have figured out they don't work. The reason they don't work is quite simply because that is the tech company self-regulating. It is not in their best interests for that to work. Unfortunately, what we had to do for parents is really apply the handbrake rule here. So the handbrake rule is: if you only have five to ten gigabytes of data, you're going to use that very sparingly. And you can still talk and text, of course. But the cell phone companies make this very difficult around the world because they continue to increase the data plans.

Vicki Davis: What is a practical first step for a teen or a tween who feels like they're too far gone in their cell phone use?

Dr. Brad Marshall: As a first point, it's fantastic when you hear a teen or tween actually recognize that. But what we should warn the educators and the parents out there is that sometimes that insight comes and goes. You might have them acknowledge that, but then a day later they back away from it. And that's a classic sort of addiction model anyway. But what I would say is that any teen or tween in my clinic that has acknowledged that, what I'm trying to do is build on that motivation and talk about the areas of life that it's impacting. Is it impacting friendships, relationships with mom and dad or family? Is it impacting sleep? Is it impacting sport? There is a whole range of areas that excessive phone use and screen use impacts. And what we do from there is we talk about the psychological science behind it.

We talk about the areas that it impacts, also about the persuasive design that tech companies use to hook you in, to spend more time on that phone. Because it moves the child or the teen and tween away from feeling like “I'm the problem” into actually “you're the victim of this.” And we all are as adults as well, by the way, because this is predatory behavior from the algorithms and the persuasive design. It is meant to do this.

So don't feel like a failure if you're spending too much time on your phone because ultimately it is doing exactly what it is designed to do.

Vicki Davis: What roles do schools and families play in shaping better tech habits with our teens? I mean, I'm getting ready to help a session with parents next week on this very topic. So I'm saying, what message can I give parents and what do we say?

Dr. Brad Marshall: There are so many messages. If I just have to pick a few here, the number one issue that I've seen in my clinic is sleep. When screens and phones impact sleep, everything will go downhill very quickly. All of the developmental and psychological impacts snowball. I talk about this in my 2019 book, The Tech Diet for Your Child and Teen, which is a parenting book.

As parents and as educators, we do have a role to put healthy boundaries around this. Why? Not because I'm treating children and teens like they don't have any agency and they shouldn't have any say, but quite simply, the brain is developing at that age, as we know. The areas of the brain — the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala — they don't fully develop for females in their early 20s, males late 20s. So this idea that they should be able to self-regulate their phone use by age 12, 14, 16 is neurologically ridiculous. And that is akin to me giving a 12- or 14-year-old a six-pack of beer and a set of car keys and hoping they don't crash. They're going to make some poor decisions.

Self-regulation of tech use — you know, “it's a technological world, we all need to help our kids self-regulate their tech use” — I would put it to you that that is probably a marketing ploy by a technology lobbyist because there's no science in that. So we have to really help educators and parents understand that self-regulation is something that most kids are not going to be able to achieve.

Vicki Davis: This is just so spot on. Thank you for bringing both of these issues to the forefront. It's encouraging to know that there are people studying it and that parents can have hope. So Dr. Brad Marshall, thanks for coming on the show.

Dr. Brad Marshall: Thanks, Vicki.

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Dr. Brad Marshall discusses phone addiction in teens and evidence-based strategies on the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with Vicki Davis
Dr. Brad Marshall, The Unplugged Psychologist, shares evidence-based strategies for phone addiction in teens — including the “handbrake rule” — on the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast.

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Sunday, February 22, 2026

Creative March Lesson Ideas (And More Ideas from my Teacher Newsletter)

From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis

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Happy February! This month I'm making kindness the focus in my classroom, and I've got some great episodes and resources to share with you — plus a brand new section at the bottom with planning-ahead ideas for February and March. Let's dig in!

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Here are some resources for you right now:

  • Understanding Neurodiversity: The Double Empathy Problem — Here's a surprising statistic: one in five children has a learning and attention issue, but one in three educators believes that's just laziness. I sat down with Sue Fletcher-Watson and Vanessa Castañeda Gill for Cool Cat Teacher Talk Episode #56. 🎧 https://www.coolcatteacher.com/neurodiverseclass/
  • Executive Function Strategies Kindergarten through Third Grade Teachers Can Use Today with Dr. Sarah Oberle — the six executive functions developing in young children and science-backed strategies like giving directions immediately before a task and switching to instrumental music. 🎧 https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e927
  • Maker Monday: Start the Week with Creativity with John Spencer — how starting each Monday with a creative maker project transformed his classroom culture and even boosted test scores. One of my most popular episodes and getting a lot of new traffic! 🎧 https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e226

Zero-Shot, Single-Shot, Double-Shot: A Prompting Framework for Teachers

I presented this at FETC and I'm teaching it to my students. Here's the quick version:

  • Zero-shot = You just type a request with no context. Generic results.
  • Single-shot = You upload your research, notes, or content along with your request. Much better.
  • Double-shot = You provide your content AND examples of your previous finished work. AI now knows what you want and how you like it. Game-changer.

The step most people skip: Upload your finished product back into AI after you're done editing. Most people edit AI's output and move on. But if you upload your final version back, you're training AI on your real standards. If you use ChatGPT's memory, this upgrades your single-shot to double-shot over time.

Note: When you look this up online, most people call this zero-shot, one-shot, and few-shot prompting(instead of double shot.) I find that zero, single shot and double shot are easier for them to remember.

How AI Helped Me Be More Human This Week

Research shows that performing at least five acts of kindness in one day can boost happiness by up to 42% after six weeks. I wanted my students to experience this, not just hear about it.

I needed slides, a handout, and a Google Spreadsheet kindness tracker. Normally that's an hour of prep spread across days — meaning I wouldn't launch until Wednesday or Thursday. Instead, I wrote a detailed prompt in ChatGPT's thinking mode and had all three deliverables in 15 minutes. I launched Kindness Month on February 1st — Day One — because AI handled the production work while I made all the decisions about what to teach and how to teach it.

My rule: do the things that only you can do. I decide the curriculum, the approach, and the tools. I grade every assignment. I build the relationships. AI makes the slides.

Here are my slides.

❤️ February

Check out my Pinterest Board with lots of ideas.

  • Valentine's Slime Science (K-5) — Hands-on science meets Hearts. Students measure, mix, and learn about polymers! Free printable.
  • “Why We Love Our Class” Collaborative Wall (K-8) — Students write what they love about their class on hearts and build a display together. Or you can try some of these 11 community building ideas.
  • Kindness Challenge Week (All Grades) — 5 acts of kindness in one day. Use a tracker and make it a friendly competition. (See above.)

📚 March Is Reading Month

Check out my March Pinterest board with ideas.

March is also music in schools month. Get inspired with music teacher Adrian Gordon.

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🏀 March Madness Bracket Ideas

Last year my students made a “March Madness” hype video. Feel free to share this fun video to talk about what it is but the introduce your own bracket fun!

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TIP: Go to Flipity and use their tournament bracket template to add items and create the bracket. Hat tip Eric Curts.

  • Historical Figures Bracket (Middle & High) — Students debate who was “most influential.” Gets even reluctant students making evidence-based arguments.
  • Math Madness Brackets (Elementary) — Multiplication facts, fractions, or decimals as bracket-style tournaments. Great for 3rd-5th review. (See a demo here and there are TPT templates for this as well.)

🧪 More March Ideas

... some of my personal notes are just for newsletter so this is edited down.

You are so important. Thank you for subscribing and telling your friends! I hope you find lots of ideas here.

Also, for those of you who have students having standardized tests, I take the standards and put them in my planner and have already started review and practice for them. That way, it is a little time each day and isn't so much near the end!

I hope your February is sweet and we move forward into a happy March. Thank you for dedicating your life to helping kids!

Joyfully in your service,

Vicki

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Wednesday, February 18, 2026

The Beautiful Nuance of Neurodiverse Classrooms

From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis

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Research from the National Center for Learning Disabilities tells us that roughly one in five children in the United States has a learning and attention issue — and one in three educators believes that's really just laziness. One in three. As both a teacher and a mom who has fought for accommodations, I know those numbers don't tell the whole story. The real story is nuance, and that's what this episode is about.

Today on Cool Cat Teacher Talk, a developmental psychologist from the University of Edinburgh and a neurodivergent CEO recognized by Forbes 30 Under 30 share what the research actually says — and what it means for the students sitting in your classroom right now. From the double empathy problem to the power of a quiet room that rarely gets used, this episode is packed with ideas that will change how you think about every student who learns differently. Whether you're driving to school, walking during your planning period, or unwinding at the end of a long day, this hour is for you.

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Key Takeaways for Teachers

  • Communication breakdowns are a two-way street. Professor Sue Fletcher-Watson explains the double empathy problem (a concept from autistic scholar Damian Milton) which reminds us that when interaction falters, both sides share responsibility for building the bridge. Small steps like leaving instructions visible on the board or creating checklists for multi-part tasks can close that gap without singling anyone out.
  • The safety net you provide may be the very thing that means students never need it. Sue shares that when hosting events, they designate a quiet room — and nine times out of ten it goes unused. It doesn't get used because it's there. Just knowing a safe space exists reduces the anxiety that would have sent a student there in the first place. Every classroom can benefit from this principle.
  • Flow states are not a problem to manage, but should be an opportunity to harness. Monotropism, the deep spotlight-like focus many neurodivergent learners experience, can become a superpower when teachers design for it. Give students choices about the topic of a project (they still learn the skills), preview transitions with five-minute warnings, and help students capture their ideas before switching tasks.
  • One harsh comment from a teacher can silence a student for years. Vanessa Castañeda Gill, diagnosed with autism and ADHD at 14, shares how a single remark in algebra class kept her from raising her hand until her senior year of college. She urges teachers to treat outbursts with care, offer processing time instead of rushing responses, and provide a consistent vocal tone. These are small adjustments that protect the trust neurodivergent students need to participate.
  • When we design for the students at the edges, every student benefits. Research on Universal Design for Learning confirms that accommodations such as flexible seating, visible instructions, transition warnings, and processing time improve outcomes for all learners (not just neurodivergent learners). As Sue reminds us, diversity is normal. One in five kids is not a special circumstance; it's every classroom, every day.

Visual Summary

Here is a visual overview of the key ideas from this episode created from the transcript using Google NotebookLM. Then, I downloaded and edited it with Canva. This is meant to be a visual summary of the show but not comprehensive on this very important and broad topic. I suggest starting with some of the books and resources from our guests.

Infographic titled From Fixing to Fostering A Guide to Neurodivergent Thriving showing three columns — the neurodiversity paradigm with the 1 in 5 statistic and deficit versus affirming reframes, bridging the empathy gaps with the double and triple empathy problems, and strategies for classroom success including transition scaffolding monotropism support and diverse modes of expression — from Cool Cat Teacher Talk Season 5 Episode 6 on neurodiversity in the classroom with Vanessa Castañeda Gill and Sue Fletcher-Watson
A visual overview of key ideas from this episode on neurodiversity in the classroom — from the 1 in 5 statistic and the neurodiversity paradigm to the double empathy problem and practical strategies for classroom success. Created from the transcript using Google Notebook LM, then edited with Canva.

About Our Guests

Vanessa Castañeda Gill

Vanessa Castañeda Gill, Co-Founder and CEO of Social Cipher, guest on Cool Cat Teacher Talk discussing neurodiversity in the classroom
Vanessa Castañeda Gill, Co-Founder and CEO of Social Cipher, shares strategies for supporting neurodivergent students in the classroom on Cool Cat Teacher Talk.

Vanessa Castañeda Gill is the Co-founder and CEO of Social Cipher, which builds social and emotional learning curricula and video games for neurodiverse youth and the professionals who work with them. Inspired by her own journey as an autistic/ADHD individual and her time as a neuroscience researcher, Vanessa decided that social skills were a cipher worth solving and assembled a neurodiverse team of researchers, game developers, educators, and artists to form Social Cipher. Vanessa and her team have earned recognition as Forbes 30 Under 30s, MIT Solvers, and, most recently, LEGO Foundation Partners.

Website: socialcipher.com | X: @SocialCipher | Instagram: @socialcipher | Facebook: SocialCipherGame | LinkedIn: Social Cipher | YouTube: @socialcipher

Sue Fletcher-Watson

Sue Fletcher-Watson, Professor of Developmental Psychology at the University of Edinburgh, guest on Cool Cat Teacher Talk discussing neurodiversity in the classroom
Professor Sue Fletcher-Watson discusses neurodiversity in the classroom, including the double empathy problem and monotropism, on Cool Cat Teacher Talk.

Sue Fletcher-Watson holds a Personal Chair in Developmental Psychology at the University of Edinburgh. She is interested in how children grow and learn, with a particular focus on development and neurodiversity. Her work draws on rigorous methods from psychology and applies these to questions with clinical, educational and societal impact. Recent studies have focused on the double empathy problem and what that means for interactions between neurodiverse people, including in the classroom. She is an editor of a new book, It Takes All Kinds Of Minds: Fostering Neurodivergent Thriving At School.

Books by this author:

University profile: University of Edinburgh | Podcast: Psychologicall | Bluesky: @suereviews.bsky.social

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

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[0:24] Vicki Davis: Roughly 1 in 5 children in the United States has a learning and attention issue, and that's what we're talking about today. Neurodivergent. For some background, neurodivergent includes students with ADHD, autism, dyslexia, dyspraxia, and other neurological differences. And if you're a teacher, you already know this. You see it every single day. Your classroom is beautifully diverse in the way students think, learn, and experience the world. And mine is too. But here's something that should bother all of us. Other research from the National Center for Learning Disabilities shows that about 1 in 3 educators believe that what's sometimes labeled learning or attention issues is really just laziness. We've seen it. We've heard it in our frustration. We might have even felt it. But today, my hope is to help us do better and learn more about neurodivergence, to see that it is more nuanced than this. Today we have two remarkable guests who are going to help all of us — teachers, parents, and administrators.

[1:51] Vicki Davis: First, you'll hear from Sue Fletcher-Watson, a professor of developmental psychology at the University of Edinburgh. Then we'll hear from Vanessa Castañeda Gill, co-founder and CEO of Social Cipher, who was diagnosed with autism and ADHD at age 14 and hid it for six years. Vanessa turned her own journey into a mission to help neurodivergent youth build self-advocacy and competence. So whether you're a teacher trying to reach that one student who seems to be somewhere else, a parent fighting for accommodations, or an administrator wondering how to build a truly welcoming school for everyone, this episode is for you. Let's dig in.

[3:36] Sue Fletcher-Watson: Yeah, absolutely. It was really important to us that it was an edited volume with loads of different people contributing chapters. We worked really hard to reach out to people — experienced practitioners, a very neurodiverse group of authors who bring a lot of lived experience as well as their professional knowledge — and to think about intersectionality, to think about diversity in other ways of gender or ethnicity and so on, that we could really embody our values in the book itself.

[4:05] Vicki Davis: There are these topics — neurodiversity is one of them, and honestly AI is another one — where everybody has their own experience and we're an expert in our own experience. But just like AI can look different over here and different over there, the word neurodiversity means it's diverse, right? Do you ever find that all of these people who write sometimes really have different opinions about this topic?

[4:30] Sue Fletcher-Watson: I do think we get a real diversity of opinions. That's kind of the point — we're not trying with this book to be really didactic, you must do these precise things, and then your classroom will officially be inclusive and all of your students will thrive. You just can't say that about a classroom, right? You've got to think about all sorts of variations in terms of educational system. I'm based in the UK. You're based in the States. But what we do find is that there is increasing rates of diagnosis of these diagnostic groups that are associated with neurodivergence — things like autism, ADHD, dyslexia, dyspraxia. There's increasing awareness of these things in the classroom. Young people themselves and their families have a stronger focus on their child's rights to inclusive, effective education. And I think that is putting a lot of teachers and other education practitioners in a situation where they're feeling a little bit uncertain. Is my knowledge good enough? Are my skills good enough for this class? And we really wanted to put something out that would help guide and reassure, to some extent, those teachers.

[5:46] Vicki Davis: But let's talk about fixing. I have been blessed with three remarkable children, all different, and I'm thinking about one of them. I had a particular math teacher with him. He has a working memory issue, ADHD, you know, all these different things. We had worked really hard to accommodate and his grades really turned around. He was really learning math. And so we had our parent-teacher conference and the teacher said, I was so excited — we fixed him. We don't have to accommodate anymore. And I'm just sitting there like, I mean, mouth open. This fixing thing has been around a long time. Like we just want them to fit in, to fix, to not notice. But what are we doing with that attitude?

[6:26] Sue Fletcher-Watson: It's such an unhealthy way to think about things. And the title of our book, right? It Takes All Kinds of Minds is really a reminder that we want those different ways of thinking about the world, right? They enrich our lives. They're fantastic in our businesses, people solving problems in different ways, viewing the world in different ways. It's not just ethically and emotionally wrong to say to a young person, there's something wrong with you, we need to fix it. It's just strategically wrong for society as well. We really want to think about meeting in the middle, right? We expect young people to make an effort in the classroom, but we need to meet them halfway as well. It's really the idea of building the bridge from both sides, rather than expecting the kid to do all the work to fit in, to catch up, to become more “normal.”

[8:15] Sue Fletcher-Watson: So the three basic principles of the neurodiversity paradigm. One is that neurodiversity occurs naturally — diversity is normal. We should stop behaving like it's very surprising when all of these kids turn up in school with different profiles, different learning needs, different sensory experiences. That's what normal is. Another part is the idea that no one way of being is better than another. And then the third part is this idea that when we're understanding the experiences of neurodivergent people of any age, we can think about those experiences in similar ways that we think about other kinds of minorities. We can think about stereotyping, clichés, prejudice, and discrimination. Those are the three elements, and we use them as guiding principles to inform the research that I do and the way that we try to translate that research into the classroom.

[9:55] Vicki Davis: So let's talk about the double empathy problem. What is it and how does it relate to exactly what you're talking about?

[10:02] Sue Fletcher-Watson: The double empathy problem is such a magical concept. It was generated by an autistic scholar, Damian Milton, based here in the UK. Essentially what he's pointing out is that communication is a two-way street, right? It takes two to tango. And if we are struggling to connect, I can't put it all on the other person. It's a mutual problem. I'm not fully understanding the way they communicate and what they need, and nor are they fully understanding what I need. It goes back to that idea of building that bridge from both sides. What we have done, especially with autistic kids, is label them as having communication deficits. And we haven't fully recognized that as non-autistic people, we also have a responsibility and a role to play in that communication. The implications go much wider — you can take that same logic and apply it to so many different scenarios, whether the way that you're teaching is reaching the learner's needs.

[11:54] Vicki Davis: One example of this is in my experience, and some of this comes from mom, and some of it comes from teacher. Extensive multi-part instructions can really be a challenge. Let's say you have half of your students who can follow extensive multi-part instructions, but a lot of your neurodiverse students, that's just not going to be possible, particularly the first time. So creating checklists, helping take it one step at a time — I teach technology, so I have a lot of multi-part instructions. The double empathy of understanding is what I might do, and what I perhaps did in my early days of teaching was, well, that half needs to learn how to keep up. But we're still growing. So I think the double empathy problem is not an excuse for the student, but it is a reason for us teachers to learn how to be better communicators.

[13:16] Sue Fletcher-Watson: That example of multiple instructions is such a powerful one, because it's such an everyday challenge in the classroom. Little things like if you've done a slide deck or you've written something up on a whiteboard — just leave it up there for the rest of the class so everyone can look up and refer to it when they need to. Really small things can make a big difference. If we're not providing that scaffolding, they are going to experience being a failure in the classroom. They're going to feel like they're dumb. They're going to disengage from learning. And we know, at least in the UK, that there is a pipeline from being neurodivergent to being excluded from school to interfacing with criminal justice and potentially ending up in prison. I firmly believe it starts with feeling like a failure in the classroom.

[15:17] Vicki Davis: We as educators are body language experts, right? We're taught to interpret lack of eye contact, interruptions, off-topic comments as behavior problems. Do we need to reinterpret those same behaviors through a double empathy lens?

[15:40] Sue Fletcher-Watson: Absolutely. I think approaching that young person with empathy and with a recognition that what's happening here is not necessarily negatively motivated is key. So this is a kid who's got a lot to say. This is a kid who's brimming with ideas. Can we say, hey, Sarah, I can see you've got so many ideas that you want to share with the class, and I love that about you. But I also want to think about how we can make space for other people. Can we work together on what we can do when you've got a great idea? Articulating it not as a problem within the individual, but thinking about what are we doing here as a class.

[17:08] Vicki Davis: Some recent work also extends to a triple empathy problem. Take us the next step and explain that to us simply.

[17:24] Sue Fletcher-Watson: The triple part is the two people — pupil and teacher — and then the third part is the system in which they're working. The curriculum, the exams, the coursework, the way that is marked — those are going to be more or less accessible to different kinds of kids. It's this idea of being a team with your pupils and thinking about how do we together navigate a path through this system. Where are the firm lines that can't be crossed, and where is there room to flex? Maybe for an assignment, you could choose between a written essay or a poster or a presentation. If you can create that space, then you're creating that way for all those different kinds of young people to engage.

[19:13] Vicki Davis: I first saw this about 18 years ago. I had co-founded a project called the Flat Classroom Project, based on Thomas Friedman's book The World Is Flat. We were merging classrooms together in China, Bangladesh, the Middle East, and Austria, and they present at the end online. We had a young man — he was autistic, he wanted to present. The teacher asked if we could all agree to just be patient and wait. Well, we got to the end and I messaged the teacher in Austria. She said, Vicki, we were over here crying. They had let him be in a different room, put on his headphones with the microphone, talking to the camera. He didn't stutter. He was so eloquent. We were in the other room cheering and crying. It was such a great example — we have this diverse classroom, but do we have diverse ways of presenting?

[21:15] Sue Fletcher-Watson: I love that story. The thing I think that's also going on there is that student knew they had the support of their teachers. They're going into it knowing if I do stutter, no one's going to interrupt me. And I think that's incredibly powerful. Sometimes teachers can worry about being too soft. But when you are offered all the support you need, sometimes you then don't need it. When we're hosting events, we will have a designated quiet room. And I would say nine times out of ten, that quiet room doesn't get used. And I think it doesn't get used because it's there. Everyone knows it's there. They can go to it if they need it. And because of that, that anxiety never crosses that upper line. So I think that is a huge piece when it comes to helping our neurodivergent kids be the best they can be.

[23:24] Sue Fletcher-Watson: I just think you need to have the right attitude. You've got to be responsive to the particular class that you're teaching at this time in this place. If you have the right attitude as a teacher, the right belief system deeply held — understanding that people are different and that's okay, that people need different things in the classroom, and it is not a failing for a young person to need something that isn't part of the standard package — I think you will find yourself problem solving and developing your practice in the right way. The book is full of strategies and suggestions, but it's not a rigid, step-by-step didactic piece. It's much more about, okay, we're all on the same page, we all share this belief — what does that look like?

[25:39] Sue Fletcher-Watson: Monotropism is the idea that for quite a lot of neurodivergent young people, attention is like a single spotlight. Whereas for other people, there may be lots of beams of light that can filter out in different directions. But if you're more monotropic, your whole spotlight of attention is going to be on one thing. Which means if you're talking to me and I start thinking about my jumper, I'm sorry — the whole attentional beam has gone on the jumper, you're out of the picture. So you can see how that's difficult in a classroom. But also, once the beam is fixed on the right thing, it's amazing. That's where you get flow — a flow state. What I would say is that wherever possible, can you engage people's interests and passions in the learning? Give them choices. You're still getting the learning done, but you're also harnessing that flow state. And think about counting down to the end, giving people warnings, helping them manage that structure and taper off that flow.

[28:34] Vicki Davis: Part of it, from my experience, is respecting the need to know that a transition is coming. Instead of just saying, that's the end of the lesson — it's saying, hey, the bell is going to ring in five minutes. What can we do to write down where you are so that you don't lose all these good ideas? That's a mistake I made early in working with children — thinking that just because I could flip the switch and move on doesn't mean that there aren't kids who take time and space to have that transition.

[30:33] Sue Fletcher-Watson: When it comes to what is a prerequisite for learning — number one, you've got to be in class. In the UK we have really high rates of neurodivergent kids just not attending school because their anxiety has got to such an extent that they're refusing. They have to be physically comfortable. They need to feel safe at school. They need to have a sense of belonging. So far from being soft on these kids, these things are a necessary first step to learning. You will not learn if you don't first have those things. This isn't about dumbing things down. This is about giving them the safe, secure foundation from which to show us how brilliant they are.

[34:52] Sue Fletcher-Watson: Something that my husband and I do every now and again — we just call it five things. We will sit down and try and think of the five things that matter most right now, and what are the things we're going to let go? It's a kind of pick your battles strategy. Sometimes if you just consciously agree: I'm going to let this go. I'm going to push this one forward. This is where I'm going to put my energy. The other thing I would say to those parents who are really struggling: if the effort you are putting in to support your kids is known to your children, that will support them more than any difference that you can make. Just your willingness to fight — your willingness to stand up on their behalf. That love and care will last a lifetime, and they will always know that you were there for them. The happy ending comes from the love you show them more than it comes from whether they get extra time in their English exam.

[37:42] Vicki Davis: One of mine, who's well into his 30s now, just recently said, thanks for fighting for me, even when sometimes you had to fight me. And thanks for not giving up on me. My heart goes out to you, Sue — that's one of the hardest seasons of my whole life, helping my children be what I knew they could be. There's all the research and then there's living it every day. The beauty of research is when it can impact how we better live.

[40:28] Vicki Davis: What a powerful conversation that was with Sue Fletcher-Watson. Our next guest, Vanessa, was diagnosed with autism and ADHD at 14 and spent years believing she needed to be fixed. Research tells us that autistic youth are four times more likely to develop depression. And Vanessa lived that statistic. But now she's leading a company with a majority neurodivergent team, recognized by Forbes 30 Under 30, MIT, and the Lego Foundation. Her story is a testament to what happens when we stop trying to make students fit the mold and instead help students discover the power in how their minds work.

[41:51] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: Diagnoses are a powerful tool. They can give a lot of clarity, but if you're not prepared or equipped enough with the right knowledge, they can also make you feel stereotyped. I had a really difficult time with my autism and ADHD diagnosis. It was the 2010s. There was not as much knowledge around neurodiversity, especially for neurodivergent girls and for neurodivergent people of color. So much of it was really about these Sherlock-like savants who were typically boys. And I felt like, all right, I'm autistic and ADHD — I have to fit this mold. And of course, I'm not that person. I'm a woman. I'm Latina. I spent so much time trying to squeeze myself into a box. I was also told when I was diagnosed that I probably wouldn't be able to connect with people “normally.” So I fell into depression. Anxiety. Hid my diagnosis for about six years. It was really tough.

[43:48] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: I became a neuroscience researcher in an effort, sadly, to fix my own brain. What I didn't expect was that through neuroscience, I realized I could use my special interest and my passion to help people. I was making friends through the things I was passionate about. And with my friends, we were engaging in music and movies and games where I never saw an autistic character that fully represented me, but I was able to piece together my identity through these different characters and stories. That was the starting turning point of creating Social Cipher.

[44:55] Vicki Davis: Research shows that neurodivergent youth spend about 41% of their free time playing video games, compared to 18% for their neurotypical peers. A lot of educators hear that and go, too much screen time. But you hear that and think something completely different. What do you see in that number?

[45:18] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: A lot of the timelines and objectives of video games really line up with neurodivergent traits. There are objectives, there are levels. They have a linearity, unlike the chaos of real life. It's a place where you can ground yourself. But the even bigger reason is that it's a place where you can be who you want to be. You can take action and try different things without this fear of judgment or rejection. That's really where the power in video games lies for neurodivergent young people.

[46:18] Vicki Davis: I had a student — there was something going on in class and she spoke up and said, I want y'all to know that I'm autistic. So that means sometimes I'm sitting back from the table. Mrs. Davis has given me a choice. Sitting up among you sometimes is just too much for me. Also, I can't be rushed. When you rush me, it makes me feel like my opinion is not respected. And listen, the difference that happened in my classroom for everybody — not just for her, but for everybody listening to her advocate for herself.

[47:14] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: That is everything that we do. Getting neurodivergent students to number one, embrace their identity. Know that it's not a burden. It's just a neurological difference that has its own strengths and challenges. The second piece is being able to advocate for yourself — understand what your own needs are, and then take that big step of advocating for those needs. And the last piece is that we hope young people are able to tell their own stories and advocate for others, pave the way for them.

[48:32] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: What really changed was when I met Ava, who was our first play tester. At the time she was six and a half. Now she's 14. Ava just reminded me of me when I was that age. I think it was at that point where I realized I've got to throw this whole narrative of fixing myself out of the window. I want her to never have the thoughts about herself that I had about myself. I want her to fully embrace who she is.

[50:37] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: Allowing for processing time. I think many of us who were maybe diagnosed later in life all know the feeling of a classroom discussion going on, and you have this idea forming in your head. You just need a little bit more time to process, and then by the time you have something to say, they've already moved on. There was this one time in algebra class — the classroom was really loud, I was facing some sensory overload and I had an outburst. I was a very quiet student. And I remember my teacher turned to me and said, “Who do you think you are?” That sparked rejection sensitive dysphoria — an intense emotional reaction to perceived rejection. I took that to heart. I didn't raise my hand in class until my senior year of college. So treating those outbursts with care is really important.

[52:50] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: What I would tell these students: there is absolutely nothing wrong with you. You are doing your very best with the tools you have. You are a unique person navigating a world that historically hasn't been built for you. You are not alone. There are so many of us out here and we are so ready to welcome you with open arms. You are going to find your place in the world. You are going to find your people. And it will get better.

[53:48] Vicki Davis: If you could go back and give 14-year-old Vanessa one message, what would it be?

[53:53] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: You are dealing with so much and you are doing it with so much grace. That is beyond your years. You should be very proud of yourself — and you're going to go really far.

[54:15] Vanessa Castañeda Gill: If you want to learn more about us, check out our free Inclusion library at Social Cipher — that's cipher with an I. We have free lesson plans, webinars, educational videos, plus our games, curriculum, and progress dashboard. And we're doing a free pilot program for any classrooms with more than ten students.

[55:39] Vicki Davis: Remarkable educators. I hope this episode has been one of those driveway moments for you. These two conversations changed something in me, and I hope they change something in you too. From Sue, the reminder that neurodiversity is the norm, not the exception. 1 in 5 kids. That's not a special circumstance. That's every classroom, every day. And the double empathy problem tells us that when communication breaks down, it's not all on the student — and it's not all on the teacher. It's a gap we need to bridge together from both sides. From Vanessa, the reminder that behind every diagnosis is a whole, beautiful person with gifts, struggles, and dreams. And when she tells us about not raising her hand in class until her senior year of college because of one teacher's harsh words, that should stop every one of us in our tracks. So here's my challenge for you this week. Pick one idea you heard today. Just one. Maybe it's leaving your instructions up on the board for the whole class, or giving a five-minute transition warning. Maybe it's creating a quiet corner that students know is there if they need it. Or maybe it's just pausing long enough for that one student to finish their thought. Small changes, big impact. You are making a difference. Get out there and be remarkable.

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